2011 Continuous Gutter Parts Delivery Service w/Instruction & Tool List

Updated 8 / 17 / 2011

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What type of parts are these?
These are the same professional rust free parts I use, which are better than most licensed Gutter Contractors use, and much better than the sub-code quality parts found in your local hardware stores that are sold to the Do-It-Yourselfers. I have researched alternative resources for better gutter parts that are better than those sold to Gutter Contractors here in this area of the NW. I order these gutter parts from 9 different suppliers in 5 different States across the Country.

There is a substantial difference in how strong these parts are, how they work, and how long they will last. The continuous lengths of gutter I form are also better that you'll find from other Gutter Contractors, so even if they offered this type of service to the DIY you could not get these high quality parts from them at any price. They also would not be willing to share with you instructions of how to install gutters, or a list of recommended tool as I have done here shown below on this web page.

As you'll see I am quite generous with information. I'll also offer a wealth of my 20 years experience to suggest improvements to the gutter system you have now after reviewing some digital photos you send me. Just to replace the downspouts alone will benefit you with substantial improvement to any homes with those dysfunctional plain square DSP (downspout pipes) found on most houses built within the last 4 decades. Those parts would run you as little as $28 for a typical 1 story application. If you would like to improve it with the larger No-clog options I offer that same DSP assembly would run about $68 each for the addition of the 2X larger outlet conversion w/Leaf-catcher. This is including all the brackets, rivets and stainless steel screws needed.

Here is a testimony from a client who traveled to us from San Jose to get a set of our copper gutters and several other custom parts to suit his needs.

From: Peter Troop <ptroop@sbcglobal.n*t>
Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2011
Subject: Overdue thank you - San Jose job

David,
Your help with my gutter issues last fall was spectacular. Your materials, combined with the skills of my installer, have given an excellent result. The trays, funnels, reducers, leaf catchers and screen system look beautiful and work. For the first time in this home I have an actual gutter system that reliably does what it needs to do.

I know you would like photos – and I’ve been waiting to get them before sending this email. But I don’t have them yet – but wanted to let you know how pleased I am. I will send them eventually.

I hope this finds you well...
Peter

For whom is this service available?
These prices are mainly for those within our local Portland, Oregon Metro area for a delivery of these long gutter lengths. I have had some out of State clients, but shipping these long gutters can be a bit more costly to build sturdy wood crates and the truck freight.
 If you are not local to NW Oregon, go to our Custom Parts Shipping web page for our special gutter accessories that I ship out FedEx Ground for the prices listed there. I seem to sell to Homeowners more than licensed Contractors ten fold, so don't be shy to ask for my assistance and advice regarding your order.

Just believing you can do this is the hardest hurdle you'll face. I applaud those who have the gumption to try, which is why I offer this service. Take the time to read over the instructions I have provided here and imagine the possibilities.

When can you deliver?
Even if I am scheduled months out to do installations I can usually give you a good deal on gutter run-outs w/all the professional parts needed, with the added convenience of prompt delivery (usually within a week from getting your payment). Just like most any lumber yard I require full payment before delivery of your order.

For gutter runs above 150' the delivery fee is waived, but for smaller parts deliveries within our local Portland, Oregon Metro area it runs $50 an hour round trip.

How do I arrange this?
The CCB does require all contractors provide free bids, but a gutter parts order does not fall within that requirement. Just like with any delivery from a lumber yard, I do not make a free advanced trip out to your job site to evaluate your need for gutter parts for you. Charging you a fee I can  drive over and scale my ladders to get the exact measurements and downspout placements you would need, but if you are able to do the installation you should be able to do this for yourself.

I have gone out of my way to provide you with this convenient chart to help you work up this order. You can see a larger copy of our gutter chart by just clicking on the image to the right to print it out.  Take measurements, fill it out using the prices below, and send it in with your payment.  Feel free to e-mail me with a scanned copy for confirmation of your numbers or with any questions you may have. I will respond within 24 hours.  I can mail you a hard copy if you are not able to print out this chart. Call me if it is very urgent.  I may need to call you back, as I will most likely be at a job site, perhaps up on a ladder.

To clarify your options; there are a few different ways to do this and cost options. 

(a) If you have a way to come here to get the parts and safely transport them I may be able sell them to you for 5% less or more depending on the volume of your order. Be sure to mention this detail when placing your order.  Remember that I can make them a little longer to make sure they will fit just right. If you are not sure about your measurements they can be trimmed back to fit, but it will be very frustrating if they are too short, and may not be usable.

(b) I can deliver them to your job site. If the gutters you need are all fairly short (less than 40'), that will expedite matters. I can run them out here and just put them on the rubber pads over my 32' ladder (as seen in the background photo). There is an extra $75 service fee to bring out the gutter machine trailer to your job site. I will need a high amp 120 volt plug-in to run the gutter machine and 100'of space for my van, trailer, plus the length of the longest gutter to run them out.

(c) I can process and seal these gutters for you so they are ready to hang. Those processed parts would cost more of course. You'd be subject to our schedule found on our Latest News web page, so there is that delay as well. I would need exact measurements, or need to drive out to the job site to get those measurements for you for a fee. The cost savings of not having me do the installation is minimal, you'll risk damage to the parts after delivery, and you would not have our installation warranty, so this has proven not to be a popular option for the Do-it-yourselfer. You would be better off having me install them for you.

I hope this clarifies this process for you. I aim to please and be as versatile as possible to fit your needs. Let me know what options suit your needs best.

Minimum charge?
I will do small jobs, but I need to have a $200 minimum for deliveries.  If you are able to pick up the parts here at our shop I will waive the minimum charge.  Be sure to e-mail and call first to be sure I will have the parts you need in stock and to arrange a time for me to be here for the pick-up.

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Installation Instructions:
Here is the most current instruction w/list of recommended tools. Just click on the images below for a PDF file you can read and print out that was last updated 4/11.

To read more about the design and function details of our Leaf-catchers see:
http://dmr-gutters.com/opt.htm#catchers

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Gutters & Downspout Prices

Items

Aluminum Copper
Gutter Run-outs w/a Monster Hidden Hanger for every 2' of gutter w/a pair of stainless steel screws for each $3 a foot  $12 a foot 16oz
or $14' for 20oz
2"x3" Downspouts 10' or cut to length you need (pipe-cleats & SS screws sold separately below) $2.00 a foot
or per elbow
 $10 a foot
or per elbow
2x Larger 3" x 4" Downspouts come in 10' sections, but can be cut to just the length you need. $3.00 a foot
or per elbow
$12 a foot
or per elbow

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Gutter Accessory Prices

Note:
listed prices below include
all the needed hardware like; rivets, stainless steel screws to perform the work

I don't have a fancy shopping cart system here, so simply e-mail with what you want.
There's a PayPal link on my Contact Page if needed.

Installation instruction are below, and click here for our order and contact info

1.5" wide Monster Hidden Hangers:
Sold separately for rehanging any 5" gutter
Each comes
w/a pair of #12 stainless steel screws
$175 for box of 100 in 0.065 Aluminum
$400 for box of 100 in 48oz Copper

Larger No-clog OutletLeft or Right End-caps:

Aluminum $2
each

Copper
$8 each
Pre-fab Inside or Outside Corners:
 Aluminum (0.019): $10 each  Copper (12oz): $25 each


More common outside corner shown here in white painted aluminum

Smaller Hole Steel Screens:
5"x 4' long w/black powder-bake finish over steel, curl under attachment (may need a pair of screws for each to secure).


$175 per box

(25 piece/100' per box, but can be packed to order)
Large Pipe Cleats:
5 3/4" wide 1 3/8" tall (used for mounting downspouts)
w/6 rivets and a pair of stainless steel screws for each bracket. The Copper pipe cleats come with 6 SS screws per bracket.
$2 each set in .065 Aluminum
$8 each set in 48oz Copper

Leaf-catchers:
These kits include all the attachment hardware needed.
3 large pipe cleats, 6 SS screws, and 28 rivet to remount your 1 story DS pipe in the same manner. Copper LC come w/18 SS screws.

Painted Aluminum:
w/stainless steel screen strainer basket
See color chart f for selections.

Standard 2X3 downspout size - $25 ea.
Larger 3X4 DS - $30 ea.

16oz Copper:
Standard 2X3 DS - $40 ea.
Larger 3X4 DS - $45 ea.

20oz Copper:
Standard 2X3 DS - $45 ea.
Larger 3X4 DS - $50 ea.

Please specify:
(a) standard 2X3 DS,
(b) larger 3X4 DS,
(c) Wider 3X4 above reduced to 2x3 below

Option 'c' is used with 2X3 for a larger strainer basket, or w/3X4 to make it easier to fit below into a standard 3" storm drain pipe. T To read more about the design & function details of our Leaf-catchers see:
http://dmr-gutters.com/opt.htm#catchers

Reducer or No-clog Outlet Combo Pack:
8 sided reducer designed for corrugated 3"x 4" to 2"x 3" downspouts w/ or w/o larger industrial size 3x4 elbow
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Larger No-clog OutletAluminum Reducer alone:
12"L - $12 or 15"L - $15

Aluminum set:
12"L - $16 or 15"L - $19

16oz Copper Reducer alone:
12"L - $20 or 15"L - $25 each

20oz Copper Reducer alone:
12"L - $25 or 15"L - $30 each

16oz Copper set:
12"L - $30 or 15"L - $35 each

Specify 12" or 15" long, and A or B style for alternate orientation. 12" would be for  shallow eaves of a vertical drop, where 15" is best if you have the space out to the eaves of 21" or more.

Super No-clog Outlet Combo Pack:
3.25" X 10" wide top scupper w/4" X 5" bottom sealed to a larger 3x4 elbow (A or B style for alternate direction), 8 sided reducer designed for corrugated 3"x 4" to 2"x 3" DSP (as shown above) in 12" or 15" length,
w/rivets and caulked. These are very good for under an expansion joint for long gutter lengths, as shown here in this image of a cut-away attachment before the other gutter length is added.

Aluminum set:
$40 each

Copper set:
$65 each

FunnelFunnels:
Used to join a pair of DS pipes down into a single DS. 15" tall x 6.5" wide, 8 sided,
designed for a pair of corrugated 2"x 3" down to a single 2"x 3" downspouts, and can be made for a set of 3x4 DS.
Includes rivets, a pipe cleat, and a 3 SS screws.
30 pre-painted colors for aluminum

Aluminum Funnels (as shown)
for 2x3 DS - $20 each

for 3x4 DS - $25 each

16oz Copper Funnel
$30 each

20oz Copper Funnel
$35 each

3x4 - 20oz Copper Funnel
$45 each

FunnelSpecial Rain-cups Outlet:
Rain-cups are used in leu of a regular downspout to. This outlet piece helps to effectively funnel the rain water into the cups allowing for a larger outlet opening. Includes rivets, 1/4" SS hook, and 4 ga copper wire for rain-cup attachment. 30 pre-painted colors for aluminum

Aluminum Outlet (as shown)
$40 each

16oz Copper Outlet
$55 each

20oz Copper Outlet
$60 each

Go here for more detailed installation instructions and photos:
http://dmr-gutters.com/rco.htm

Drip Edge Flashing:
Standard 1x3, or custom dimensions available.
Recommended lengths 5' to 6', but can be made in 10' to 12' strips.

Aluminum - $0.75 ln' or custom $2.25 sq' Copper - $5 ln' or custom $15 sq'
FunnelPRO-SEAL 34 Caulk:
Rated at 350% expansion.


$15
each 10.5oz tube
Rivets:
Painted aluminum (not available in all colors)
$4 per 100

Copper w/brass mandrels
$9 per 100
Matching touch-up spray paint:
$6 per shaker can

A set of color chips:
for available pre-painted aluminum

$2
- php
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Rain cupsRain cupsCopper and Brass Rain Chain/Cups (funnels)
An alternative to a closed downspout, as long as you have a good system to catch this water under it and channel it away from the house foundation. It is best to remove the end-cap and bend the floor of the gutter down to direct the water into the top of the rain-cups. This helps prevent debris from forming a blockage. I use a 1/4" stainless steel eye hook or place a hidden hanger on the end  for attachment. They also come in a 3 funnels per foot without the chain link between them.

These shown below comes in sets of 1 ornamental funnels per foot that link together with these hollow tubular loop chains for up to 3 story lengths, and are sold without the loops.

Bluebell or Crocus
$110 - 6' strand all funnels (no loops as seen above)

$80 - 6' strand w/loops

Buttercup, Fish, Tulip, or Umbrella
$140 - 6' strand all funnels (no loops as seen above)
$110 - 6' strand w/loops

Tea Pot over Tea Cups or Watering Can over Flowers
$160 - 6.5' strand w/loops
(shown on the sides. Parts can be sold separately)

Here is another letter I received from a client who ordered over 200' of the heavy gauge 20oz copper gutters from me to install himself in Lake Oswego, Oregon. This may give you a better sense of what this is like better than anything I could tell you:

From: "Berglund, Carl A" <carl.berglund@XX.c*m>
Subject: RE: Berglund copper gutters.
Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007

Thanks David,
I didn't ever find a crimper that could put a dimple for sealing the end caps that's why I am short in that I had to use rivets on every end cap. That sealant is some sticky stuff, worse almost than vaulkum.

<I could have gotten the tools needed for you, since many of them are not found and hardware stores. Although, I suppose that is the better way, since a few extra rivets are a lot cheaper than this hand tool you would not be likely to use again. As to the caulk; I aim to supply the best>

In any event things went pretty smooth, I did find that on my house I could use pipe clamps to rest the gutter on prior to putting in any screws. This in my view made things much much easier.  So depending upon how the fascia is put up, if there is a way to either a. clamp a board up to hold the gutter, or b. just use the end of the clamp it made it possible to get the gutter up, then position it, fine tune it's pitch, etc.. without ever doing a screw - very very handy. Also If I needed a helper it was only to get it up onto the clamps - then I was good to go.

<That is a great idea I had not considered. Aluminum gutters are only 1/3 the weight, and since all I did was aluminum for the first 5 years I never bothered to rig up something like that.>

Tips, I bought a very high quality level (I have numerous but the precision of the bubble for just touching the line wasn't very good. It's the blue ones about 35-40$ for a 2 footer available at Sears home depot, Lowes etc... it's there best one. Really did make a difference and felt confident that the slope would be just enough but not too much.

<That is a good point. I like the Stabila line of levels best.>

Just FYI, I find these gutters to be "noisier" than our old. Not sure why, maybe copper, or 20 oz copper has a louder "ring" to it when water drips into it.

<They are new and whistle clean. When they get a little debris in them they will be as quite as you remember the old ones being>

I can see why you always wear gloves as well as long sleeve shirts, had a couple places where it was obvious my arm touched them while installing, should have worn a long sleeve. Chop saw worked well but really loud, ear plugs recommended with eye protection a must.

<You are right. I should remember to caution people about how loud and shrill that is>

Back to tips, invest in a good set of both short and long right and left tin snips. Additionally a good set of 3 inch sheet metal bender pliers for downspouts.

<Kline or Midwest makes some good hand tools. The ships should always be the 'off-set' type. Not the type you commonly see in hardware stores.>

I found that for the downspout holes to work out best you can not just do a simple X cut but have to cut inward from the 1 inch hole saw area out and in the corners need real care to get them to end up as big a hole as possible yet have it flare into the downspout right - hope that makes sense but showing one that you have done to a DIY would be very helpful.

<I do: http://dmr-gutters.com/cg/Kistler4.htm . It may not show the hole-saw system. I have a standard size hole punch I use, but it shows how I make 8 cuts to maximize the outlet size.>

Pay very close attention to downspouts near corners or against any part of the house that projects out and do as much of the manipulation of the downspout bracket "holder" as possible prior to mounting it on the downspout. (I was able to do some of the bends with a bench clamp with good success and have the bends be more where I wanted them and cleaner this way.)

<Yes, those pipe cleats are made with a very thick 48oz copper sheet metal>

Pay close attention to rivet placement for consistent good looks on exterior. Important - have an onsite consultation with you to aid in planning. You solved some nice issues in ways I would not have thought of in that I was too caught up in how it used to be rather than what was possible to do better.

<I aim to please>

The leaf catchers in my mind are way more important than the screens. I am finding with the gutters flowing properly they are not gathering to any degree the needles and leaf fall like they used to. A good strong deluge and the needles flow with the water and do a very good job of getting filtered out by the leaf catchers while essentially self cleaning the gutters. I would not ever have a house without them. (had them on the old gutters but they were of poor design and in that the gutters didn't always go downhill and the downspouts were small would always clog.)

<Right, the Leaf-catchers I make are my most popular feature for selling new gutter systems>

That's about it. Some of the corners could be prettier but acceptable overall. Haven't done the flashing on Chimneys yet, hope to this weekend, will put a patio umbrella into the chimney hole if raining so I can do it mostly dry. Once we rock the chimney I will be back to you about chimney caps.

<I will look forward to hearing from you when you are ready>

Thanks again, really appreciate everything.

Carl Berglund

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I also make custom aluminum and copper sheet metal parts,
inquire for prices, and see our
Photo Pages to see what else I have done

DMR Gutters will also install gutters at your request, refer to our installation price sheet page

Give me a try. Aside from the wait you may encounter, you won’t be disappointed. Guaranteed! I'd like to believe I'm worth the wait, but that's your call.

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A Comparison to Our No-clog Gutter System
A lot more than just a check list
(click on the image below to go to that web page)

Above left is an actual aluminum LEAF GUARD ® gutter cross section profile that I have to show clients the clear difference. The image right shows our more user-friendly hinged copper leaf screen over our copper K-5 gutter for the same cost.

 

 

 

Other Helpful Roofing Information
For some valuable advice with regards to roofing and rain management issues check out our:

(a) Gutter Installation
(b) Gutter Debris Protection Options
(c) Roofing Quality Standards
(d) Chimney Flashing

(e) Moss Control & Treatment

web pages for answers and solutions that could save you thousands of $ and a great deal of anguish.

If you do find this information very helpful, feel free to send us a $ tip for the assistance I so freely have published on the web here for your benefit, like you might tip a waitress.  Heck, send us a gift certificate for a candle lit dinner for two. <LOL>

 

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Below is a photo of our
Better Business Bureau's
NW Business Integrity Award
for the year 1998

1999 Better Business Award

I was also a 1997 finalist for this same award. See our referral web page to see how I managed to be honored with this special award

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