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From: James Steadman <jsal2001@yahoo.c*m
Subject: gutter training
Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2010

Hi David,
I wanted to let you know that I recently used some of the training you gave me. I installed two long sections of gutter, 60 or 70 feet each, so I used the gutter splice you taught me and they worked perfectly. I appreciate the opportunity you gave me to come to Portland and train with you. We covered a lot of stuff in one day and it was well worth the trip. It was very nice of you and your family to allow me to stay at your home. It was also nice of you to get up at 4 AM in the morning and take me to the airport. Tia is a great cook too!

Jim Steadman
Steadman's Rain Gutters
Bridgeport, Texas

'This Guy!'

Just before leaving for the airport, Alan asked to pose with me
 while Torrin took this photo there in our workshop (2/22)

Alan Hartman of Empire Roofing from Walker Louisiana (225) 480-8253


I started this program back in 2009, and I still seem to be offering one of the only comprehensive gutter contracting business training programs in the States. I have steadily improved my course since then, and offer you many more options along with higher standards than you could find elsewhere, which is heavily influence by my sense of positive ethical standards.

Cory Flores
(2/24) Cory Flores from
Lake Forest, California (949) 306-1733

Are you that special person? One who loves to be proud of their workmanship, and looking to build a legacy that is worthy of passing down to your children. Or perhapse better employment opportunities for your friends and relatives? One's reputation is the single most valuable aspect you will ever have earned. Hard work to build, yet so easily destroyed, so it requires due dilligence.

David Rich in 2024
 Cory Flores caught this image of me while here in my workshop

As you can see from the letter above (dated 2010), I have been doing this for a while now, and have more to share than you could possibly imagine. When I started this program in 2009, I already had over 16-years of hands-on experience at that point. Since then I have worked to refine this process over the last 14+ more years, continuing as a hands-on contractor. I've specialized in low maintenance gutter system replacement, coming with a 15-year no-clog warranty. There is very little I have not encountered and had to figure out a good solutions for.

Timothy J. Glancy Jr.
(1/24) Timothy J. Glancy Jr. from
Wilmington, North Carolina (910) 429-5952

I got my specialty contractor license in mid-1993, and have continued to be a hands-on contractor to this day at the ripe age of 61, as the primary fabricator and installer for DMR Gutters, which has been booked up over 30-months out in recent times. Even all throughout that lingering pandemic we all suffered through, we were able to stay busy and get gutter jobs done without delay.

Rich Rayburn Roofing & Gutters in Coos Bay Oregon (541) 267-7476
(8/23) Rich Rayburn Roofing & Gutters
in Coos Bay, Oregon (541) 267-7476

Being based in Portland Oregon, we are well known for the amount of frequent rainfall we get around here, which tends to grow lots of tall trees, which clog our gutters quickly. If my low maintence system can work effectively here, it will work quite well anywhere in the country. It is also especially sturdy in high snow-load areas. We have dramatically changing seasons here; from heatwaves in the Summer months, Fall leaf-drops, to a foot and a half of snow some Winters, Even treacherous ice-storms that we tend to suffer. Back in the early 80's Mt. Staint Helens had exploded like an atom bomb, where the ash that traveled to Portland right after that second blast. That ash had rinsed down off the roofs into the gutters as heavy dense mud, which took down a lot of gutters all of the sudden. I doubt there is any other area of the USA that has had more demading conditions, which puts gutter function to the test more than most areas.

Alan & Lundyn Hartman of Empire Roofing from Walker Louisiana (225) 480-8253
(2/22) Alan & Lundyn Hartman of Empire Roofing
from Walker, Louisiana (225) 480-8253

As you can see from this extensive web site here; I have a wealth of experience and have tackled more complicated issues than most gutter contractors are willing to consider. There is not hardly any situation I have not encountered, dealt with, and solved. Many complex issues, that the other contractors were not willing to deal with at any cost.

Working Safely:
I do my best to work smart and safe, at a casual pace, as shown in a photo below showing a group of contractors here from Forida. Safety should be a strong concern for your crews, as injuries will shut down your job site and often be cause for an investigation by OSHA to see if they were all working within compliance, and there is likely going to be a few violation they will find to pin the accident on you most every time and levy you with fines. Possibly even suspending your license.

Adrion Rodrigues of Kingdom Roofing from Indiana Ph# (765) 573-5899
(1/22) Adrion Rodrigues of Kingdom Roofing
from Marion, Indiana (765) 573-5899

Why Should I Need This Sort of High-end Gutter Prep Training?

As you should well know these days, Homeowners are sharing their experiences they had with you as Contractor across the web over social media platforms like Facebook, Yelp, Nextdoor, Linked In, Insider Pages, Angie's List, and many other web communities. Not just with a few of their closest friends, as it was back in the era of the Yellowpages phonebook. So, whether you like it or not, what your workers are doing is being reported and reviewed for all to see, and reflecting on your reputation. Potential clients are now easily able to do a search to check out your reviews. So, once a bad review is posted, there is no way for you to force it removed. You can even fix their concerns to their satisfaction, but you cannot compell them to change or remove their original complaint.

Golden Hammer Roofing from Florida, Ph# (904) 880-2004
(8/21) Golden Hammer Roofing
from Jacksonville, Florida (904) 880-2004

Another quickly growing field to consider is the new Tesla solar panel roofing being done now. Any homeowner willing to pay that much for a new roof, often times even before it is necessary, will be demanding much better gutter system than standard, and they are going to be under a final inspection by the Tesla team, so you will need to know how to do this the right way, made to last. They may even want copper gutters, so you will need to be at the top of your game in this field of sheet metal craftmanship.

Atlanta Painting Company from Georgia, Ph# (770) 551-0101
(6/21) Atlanta Painting Company
from Atlanta, Georgia (770) 551-0101

If you or your workers are not trained properly in just how to do this work well, it will adversely affect your future reputation and sales. That stain will last for many years to come. We can no longer afford to get by on shoddy workmanship, since even one bad review can be devistating. Contractors can no longer to do business as usual. We are being held to a much higher standard these days, which I do not see reverting in the near future. Being accountable for our workmanship and how we respond to our client's complaints, or not, is paramount to how well you run your business and the likelyhood it will not fail in short order. This training program can help you meet those demands of the ever evolving marketplace, and perhaps give you an edge over your competion.

Frank DeLozier from Oklahoma City Oklahoma (405) 640-0234
(3/21) Frank DeLozier
from Oklahoma City, Oklahoma (405) 640-0234

Another even more important asset of this program is using this to make better roof flashing with the left over gutter coil. Roofers can use your sheet metal skills to fill custom orders of aluminum flashing, which they cannot get from the local roofing suppliers. Also made with many more color options. This alone could be your single biggest advantage in your area.

Trent Brown of RoofRite in Oregon, Ph# (503) 984-0924
(11/20) Trent Brown of RoofRite
in Oregon (503) 984-0924

What All Do You Have To Offer?

Superior High-end Gutter Fabrication/Installation w/Business Set-up, & Much More:
Even if you already have your own thriving construction business with several crews; I can show you how you can better train your installers and stream-line their installation work with higher quality workmanship and parts to do better quality installations for an improvement in your reputation, which is essencial these days.

Gary M. Greenwood of Vanguard Roofing from Madison, Virginia (434) 484-2372
(10/20) Gary M. Greenwood of Vanguard Roofing from Madison, Virginia (434) 484-2372

As you may have found, gutter contractor type subs tend to be the flakiest of the bunch, and your reputation has suffered greatly as a result. Getting your peeps to do this gutter work gets your company in and out more quickly, so you can get paid, and on to the next job. A better ability to control your quality standards is priceless. It is also a great way to keep them busy when the weather gets windy, hot, or too wet, since this is not nearly as weather dependant as other exterior work like painting and roofing.

Eric McPeters of Paintwise Painting from Spokane, Washington (509) 362-3227
(1/20) Eric McPeters of Paintwise Painting
from Spokane, Washington (509) 362-3227

As you can see, this web site is by far the most comprehensive you will find anywhere on the Web, so you will find a lot of beneficial information here if you take the time to read through it. I also have much more to offer you, if you are brave enough to take advantage of my experience and abnormally high mechanical aptitude.

Portland Roof & Gutters in Oregon Ph#, (503) 601-9122
(7/19) Portland Roof & Gutters
in Oregon (503) 601-9122

I most often have worked alone, so I am not influencing teams of crews, but I have influenced my competition, which is part of my team in life to build a better society. What could be more important? We cannot control others beyond the good example we may set, which is the only thing we truly have control of. The single most important aspect of what we can gift our children with as well.

Melisa & Jake Raether of Gorge Gutters from White Salmon, Washington, Ph# (509) 281-0684
(2/19) Melisa & Jake Raether of Gorge Gutters
from White Salmon, Washington (509) 281-0684

My students are not required to maintain the exact same standards that I do after they finish my training program, unless they want to utilize my francise opportuniuty. But why teach you shoddy workmanship using low standard parts? You can choose to down-grade your standards, but it is important that I teach you the best way to do things, and try to impress upon you why this is most beneficial to your success in the long run. As well as best for your personal self-esteem. As well as how you will influence others by doing the right thing. These processes are not more than what I do for each of my clients without being asked, so there is nothing that is over the top or impractical.

Ashford Roofing from Edmond, Oklahoma (405) 206-0767
(4/16) Ashford Roofing
from Edmond, Oklahoma (405) 206-0767

This program can benefit you if you are:

  • Looking to become a Gutter Contractor, while avoiding the pit-falls of trial & error.
  • Already a Gutter Contractor, yet looking for ways to make your business more efficient w/better parts and improved skill-level and marketing.
  • Looking to get into more high-end copper gutter work with improved techniques.
  • Looking to venture into other more custom sheet metal design and fabrication.
  • A Roofer looking to expand your business to include making your own aluminum flashing and gutter replacement to keep your guys busy during bad weather. Instead of relying on subs, which tend to be unreliable at best, and may have adversely affected your reputation.
  • Making and installing better rust free roof flashing in 30+ color choices, so it looks better, and more importantly how your clients may have a chance to take advantage of their roofing warranty, which is not an option with steel flashing.

I can assist you with all you need for this relatively low cost start-up business along with lists of suppliers and tools best suited for this work. Saving you a lot of wasted time and money.

(12/14) Kendell Roberts & Wife from Idaho
(12/14) Kendell Roberts & Wife from Idaho
to start thier own Gutter Construction business

What If I Need Training In Gutter Installation:

For more information than DMR-Gutters.com has generously provided for you already here, you will need to pay for my personalized one-on-one lessons done here in my workshop, which is much more than just how to miter inside and outside corner propperly. 

I will be happy to tailor this training to meet your needs and adjust the cost accordingly. You will most likely need to be able to spend a week or so here with me for a portion of this hands-on training, but if you are a really sharp cookie I have trained people to do 4-types of custom gutter ends within a day. You can bring others to train with you and take home the sample pieces you made for later review. Even bringing a Spouce or friend is helpful to take notes and record your progress in photos and videos.

With my training program and optional franchise you can get:

(a) On-line, phone, and video correspondence to set up this training sessions. Instruction before hand, to begin some of the remote training, in order to help maximize your time while here.

(b) Learning the lingo and sales techniques that work, w/o placing your client under stressful pressure. You should get to the point you are selling at least half the bids you write by proving to them how you ar their best value. You may not be the cheapest out there, but you are clearly their best option. Which will save you more time and $ than you could imagine.

(c) Provide you with a list of tools and suppliers that are best suited for this line of work. Beyond just your local warehouse supplier.

(d) A detailed work system to save you a lot of time, money, and working safer while doing higher quality work for an improved reputation.

(e) If you need, I can help with going over marketing concepts and work with you to develop a starter web site to market your service for clients local to you, which can be linked to this web site if you want to take advantage of my franchise opportunity.  This will give you that professional image and save you a great deal of time on the phone answering common questions. It will also save you thousands a month on advertising costs, and help you find better pre-qualified and pre-sold clientele, so you are making more sales per bids you write.

(f) I can show you how to maintain a web site, and add your personal touches and photos.  A list of user-friendly inexpensive programs you'll need that I have tested over the last several decads for web design, photo editing, and maintenance.

(g) Master-copies of print forms for your bids and sales brochures w/other paper work.

(h) Book keeping and tax information.

(i) You could even use our name; Dynamic Metal Rendering, and list yourself as an official DMR Gutters franchise to help give you a head start to impress new clients. With the full training and franchise, you will not have to worry about another Gutter Contractor training with us competing for your business within a 50+ mile radius of your location for as long as you are in business there w/o having to pay further annual fees. You are just required to maintain a high standard of workmansip, parts, good customer service, and warranty service, as I cannot allow you to tarnish my reputation.

(j) Going out to client's homes to do bids and actual gutter work, seeing how we interact with clients, with a hand-on demonstration of gutter installation.

(k) I will be demonstrating most types of gutter sheet metal fabrication and installation procedures, even if it is not relating to the jobs I have lined up.  You would be using aluminum material to demonstrate and practice on, so I can see that you are able to do this competently yourself.  You will be returning with samples and templates to refer to afterwards, which is very important.

(l) Post training and answer time on-line for some of the reminders and questions that will come up later on.

And more details that I may not have listed here.

Gutter Installation and Business Training with web site development and photography for better marketing:
There is a great deal of info and examples on this web site regarding gutter business, but it is not just the standard installation commonly seen. It revolves around a very high level of standards for quality and ethics that you will not find in the normal business model. I feel that if nothing else it is a smarter business model in the long run to focus on quality than your profit margin; saving thousands each month just in costly advertising and frustrated customers to have to deal with warranty service. Keeping the phone ringing for decades to come through more client referrals by building a reputation for high quality; that will become a valuable business name for you and your heirs.

This is not a quick-get-rich program. Most of which are just scams to pick your pocket. This type of work has a good potential of making a healthy living w/o having to work with highly hazardous materials or breaking your back. It has growth potential to possibly make you $50 to $150 an hour, but I feel some of the best rewards is the feeling of pride and satisfaction of your accomplishments providing a good service to your clients and helping to build values in America once again.

I also offer a franchise option w/o any annual pay-outs, like other franchise programs require. This can help kick start your business off the ground running, as long as you share and maintain my ideals of quality work and ethics. Although, you will need to be held to some very high standards, which many may feel too difficult to maintain.

Package Deal Cost:
As far as cost for this program go, here is a run-down for those options available.

'Can't Travel':

$2,000 for my personal one-on-one remote training together using Zoom to go over the mechanics of gutter prep and installation for up to 20-hours of video confrencing or phone chats, along with those e-mails this will require to set this up. You will need to have dozens of 1' long gutter samples to work with and a full set of tools. Templates w/example pieces are sold separately, as listed below.

The Basics:

$3,500 starting with some remote training, before your trip out here. Then the hands-on mechanics of gutter prep and installation training with comprehensive instruction for up to 2 students for a full work week. Additional students are just $500 each, usually requiring my assistant to help keep track of things.


$5,000 you also get a few more days for special custom parts fabrication that you would not find elsewhere: funnels, reducers, Leaf-catchers, mitered endcaps, and such with tempates and examples to keep.

Deluxe Full Deal:

$6,500 I will cover all I have listed above including business, marketing, web site development training, and a DMR Gutters franchise oportunity, as long as you are willing to uphold the same level of quality standards that I teach and use in my work.

I Could Travel To Your Location:

$3k to 6k extra added to the other package deals to cover my travel expense, hotel stay, meals, and a rental car. This will require me to pack up a crate full of templates and such to have shipped to your location, then returned at the conclusion. The cost would depend on location and number of days required.

I understand this may be the better option for some if you need me to train several people, which then saves you all their travel and hotel stay expenses with meals. I will need you to provide us with dozens of 1' long gutter samples to work with for each person along with a full set of handtools, including a break, a large well ventilated air conditioned work space, a local hotel or decent motel and restarants.

Traveling Assistant/Trainer:

$2k per work-week extra added for my Son to join me for an added pair of eyes to help with this training.  Torrin is 23 (as of 10/31/23) and has been working with me since he was 17.

How To Get Started:

To start this process I will need you to submit your payment of half down to begin the remote training work, before traveling here to Oregon for the hands-on training time. This helps get you and your people more familiar with the lingo, parts, and tools, so they are better able to utilize their time when they arrive here.  The other half will be due when you arrive for your hands-on training.

As I said above, I am happy to customize this program to best fit your needs and adjust the cost accordingly. Even if you want to cancel the training in the middle I will accomodate your needs and refund that unused time.

You could spend much more than this on just getting a decent web site designed for your business, so you know this is quite a reasonable cost for all I'm offering here. It will likely save you more in the first year alone than the cost of this program.  This is a small start-up cost for most any type of business.  This will also greatly increasing your chances for success in the long run, where most small businesses tend to fail within the first few years. I have specialized in my hands-on gutter replacement business for over 30 years now: since mid 1993 when I got my contractor's license here in Oregon: CCB # 92250.

If you are serious about our training program read through dozens of web pages on our web site (not just this one web page), write an essay on your qualifications, experience, your business plan, and let me know just what all you need from me the most.

Then send it to me in an e-mail and submit your 1/2 deposit for the remote training course to begin.

Serious inquiries only.

Single Day Cost Training Options:

If you are unable to spare more than a day or 2 devoted to this training I have these price options to consider, but these do not include the initial remote training:

 (a) $300 a day to hang with me and see what I do while asking some questions. It will be best to carefully arrange this time here, so you will are available when my scheduled work is doing the sort of craft that would benefit you the most. This does not include practice gutters and templates.

 (b) $600 a full 8-hour work day to have me spend my full attention with you one-on-one while you're here training, using my tools in order to show you these skills and have you make your own practice sample pieces to bring back with you to use as reference guides.

This is cheaper than many group seminars offered in other fields, where you just sit in uncomfortable chairs to be lectured at all day, so I know these costs are quite reasonable.

What should I do before contacting you?

Write an essay on your current experience, qualifications, tools you have, and your plans for this sort of business, so I can get a better sense of who you are and what you need from this program. Then e-mail me, or snail-mail that to me with your 1/2 deposit to begin this process and evaluate the cost of just what you want and need.

In front of my workshop on 10/20

What About Covid Health Restrictions?
Yes, this whole issue has sucked either way you slice it, but hopefully we are on the tail end of this nightmare. Back in mid 2020 I had to put casters under my workbench to wheel it outside and have a 10’ X 20’ canopy for cover, which we had used a few times during the height of the pandemic scare. We had spare masks and chlorine wipes handy in the latrine to wipe down any surface that was touched or sat on. Men's aim was a problem with one of those groups, so please try to be less messy.

We are no fan of vaccines, but we did get vaccinated back in May of 2021. My wife; being a medical professional needed me to work safe, so she doesn't get exposed and have to quarantine for a while, which of course means she could not work if there was just a suspected exposure or any syptoms, so that she would not potentially expose any of her clients.

Oregon had completely opened up in the Summer of 2021 with the honor system for masking, which had shown to not be remotely reliable, so Oregon had gone back to masking out in public again, and even more than ever with the Delta variant. Then with Omnicron and other variants that lingered on. It seemed as if there is no end to this, regardless how careful we were. We think we may have been infected in January of 2022, with very mild syptoms. We had finally seen those restrictions lifted as of March of 2022, so it has been well over a year without reverting to a strict health code. I finally had tested positive for the first time on 7/7/22, but got over it within a couple weeks, so we should have a new resistance now.

It seems best to be vaccinated, so it is far less severe on your body.

I ask that you send us photocopies of each person’s driver’s license along with a photocopy of their Covid vaccination record next to it through e-mail, so we will be able to relax and be more comfortable around each other. You may want to get tested before buying your tickets, since they may not be refundable if you test positive and are not allowed to fly. That would suck.

We appreciate your attention to these recommendations to make this work out best for all concerned and be as safe as possible. If any of us were to get ill from exposure I am concerned for your wellbeing as well. Our numbers here in Oregon are comparitively low, so it may be safer for you here, but this illness has lead to some long-term disability in some, which none of us can afford to suffer. Also, you do not want to be stuck here if you turn up getting sick and were not allowed to fly back home on schedule.


What About Just Buying a few Template Kits?

If you are not able to travel here to the Northwest I can also sell you individual sample sets with step-by-step templates and details instructions to demonstrate some of the more tricky parts of gutter work that I have developed over the last 3 decades. These are for the most common K-5 style gutters only. Prices listed include packaging and freight. I even recorded some videos to go along with a few of them.

  • $300 - most common 90 degree corner fabrication for inside and outside corner profile.

  • $250 - 45 degree corner fabrication for inside and outside corner profile.

  • $200 - Radius gutter for curved fascia board application (advanced work).

  • $250 - Mitered end caps for left and right side.

  • $200 - End cap style expansion joint w/covers (very important, yet largely overlooked).

  • $200 - Super outlet style expansion joint, or for use as a 9" wide outlet.

  • $150 - Larger 3X4 No-clog gutters outlet, without using an outlet piece for an even wider drop.

  • $200 - 3X4 to 2X3 reducers; 8 bend funnels in 12" and 15" size.

  • $150 - Large No-clog outlet designed for rain-chain and rain-cup application; with no outlet obstruction.

  • $250 each - for Leaf-catcher per size and style: 2X3, 3X4, 3X4 upper to 2X3 lower, and 45 degree 5 faceted baskets or just square mouth, which includes instructional video. Or $1k for all 6 templates and sample pieces (main money-maker).

  • $250 - Sealing dormer gutter that meet with the roof under a valley (very important, yet largely overlooked, if at all).

  • $150 - Roof trays; to avoid draining an upper gutters onto roof shingles (very important, yet largely overlooked).

  • $100 each - Fascia metal and roof flashing examples (please specify profile needed.

  • $500 - Vented and unvented ridge cap profile (several options).

  • $150 each - for the 6 sided scupper fabrication in 2X3 or larger 3X4 profile.

  • Or $3,000 - for all 28 template sets as listed above: $4,050 value

  • $800 each - Fancy scupper fabrication made from common K-5 gutter w/liners. Specify style you prefer: http://copper-by-design.com/cw/scuppers.htm#Options

If you are serious about our training program read through dozens of web pages on our web site (not just this one web page), write an essay on your qualifications, experience, your business plan, and let me know just what all you need from me the most.

Then send it to me in an e-mail and submit your 1/2 deposit for the training course.

Serious inquiries only.


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